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Recently, on the web I found these words:
“Anyone who knows marketing knows that you show where your guy's strengths are, not where your opponents weaknesses are. If you not following this rule that will only make people "indirectly" go against your views, just to have the satisfaction of knowing they are not like you.
The vulgarity and incessant insults are hurting what should be chances for you to make good points”.
Someone may say that I’m in a violation of this marketing rule and significantly reduce my chances to be successful with my website! I think that it’s probably true, but what can I do to bring my point out? The web is full of bad and misleading information and if you are for example a cook, computer programmer or even HVAC serviceman you will never know what a real HVAC installer knows how to do the ductwork installation in the right way!
Just one example:
There is the “Reader Digest” /www.rd.com/ website were a guy using right hand for green snips (instead of red snips) while cutting a round hole in the duct! How come he doesn’t know that it’s wrong! Definitely this guy doesn’t know what he’s doing! But any of you who will try to replicate that, going to understand very soon how difficult it is.
Did I hurt your feelings by brining this example out? According to the marketing rules above probably yes!
Will you ever try to use this “expert’s” advice in your next ductwork project? I hope not!
By no means I’m an expert in the marketing, but if you ask me why they are doing that my guess would be:
- They are trying to fill the blank with something what looks like useful information with obvious goal to sell you something else!
- They are trying to fill the blank with something what looks like useful information with obvious goal to make you click on advertising!
Let’s take closer look on both items above:
1. Like many of you I’m also a DIY-er! I made a lot of improvements around my house by myself:
   
Built a staircase
Replaced carpet with harwood floor
Replaced shower and changed all the plumbing inside
Finished off the basement
   
Finished off the mechanical room
Built a deck
Well, I did it all in my house, but I would never pretend that I’m some kind of super expert in everything! For example, any professional hardwood installer would be much better expert in his field. But I don’t understand why let’s say plumber or bee gardener don’t have any problems with teaching others of the ductwork installation!
2. Someone can say: you also have a lot of advertising on your website! It’s true!
Main purposes of all these ads on my website:
• Keep certain shape of the pages
• Have information about visitors of my website (How many per day, what kind of keywords they were using, what part of the country they are from and so on.)
So, currently I have two pages on my website where I criticizing the others: “Communication Page” and " Noise Reduction Search Results" pages. Please visit another one and let me know how bad it was and why.
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Noisy ducts – they are almost in every house, but most of the people just use to it or were misled by their Builders. I decided to conduct a search and find out what people able to find on the internet for this topic. I tried Google and Yahoo for about two hours and you can see here what I’ve found:
Bunch of the builders sites such as:
www.goodier.com, www.beagleproductions.com, www.derekalan.com
indicate the problem this way:
Ductwork Noise:
When your metal ductwork is heated it will expand and when it cools it will contract. Some popping or pinging sounds are the natural result of ductwork heating and cooling in response to air flow as the system operates.
That’s it, they are done, and the problem doesn’t exist anymore! So, its looks like they show us a big, thick, probably, with a couple of calluses Builder's finger, every grownups in this country knows what it is for.
But don’t trust them. I can help you guys no matter what they say! Price for my help is only  5.46, but it doesn’t mean that you have to pay me upfront! Ask your question in the feedback module below and if I found out that you can get help on the web free of charge I let you know and even give you a link.
Here is another builder showing us the same attitude:
www.pulte.com:
VIBRATION FROM HEATING OR COOLING EQUIPMENT
It is normal for heating/air-conditioning equipment to generate some noise and vibration. Under THE WARRANTY, no corrective action is required.
As you see they are simple covering their butts with meaningless bureaucratic slur!
The others are taking more informative approach:
www.askthebuilder.com
DEAR TIM: Our new home is now three years old. Ever since move-in day there have been annoying ticking noises in several interior walls of our home. Some of the noises start minutes after our furnace comes on. The clicks then go away five minutes after the furnace shuts off. We also have cracking noises when someone takes a bath or shower in a second floor bathroom. The builder says all of this is normal and nothing can be done. We never had this problem before. What is going on and what can be done to stop these very annoying noises? Donna A. Columbus, OH
DEAR DONNA: You are a victim of simple expansion and contraction. The ticking, clicking and cracking noises are a by-product of metal ducting and pipes and plastic drain lines that are rubbing against the wood framing members of your home. These pipes and ducts grow in size as they are heated by the warm air and water that passes through them. The expansion is a perfectly normal thing to happen, but the associated noise is not supposed to happen……
Exorcizing these demons from your walls is not going to be easy. You will need to isolate and identify the exact trouble areas. Doing this almost always involves removal of the drywall or plaster. You can then often clearly hear and see the location where a pipe or duct might be rubbing against a wood framing member. The contact zone will need to be enlarged if possible so that an air gap exists for the pipe or duct to freely move. Do not start to cut away wood or enlarge holes in joists or studs. There are strict limits to the notches and holes that can be made in framing members. You can compromise the structural integrity of your home if you take away necessary wood. If in doubt, contact your local building inspector. Many inspection agencies will gladly advise you on what you can and can't cut. They do not want you or a family member to become a statistic.
Don't count on lubricants to always solve the problem. They may be a short-term fix but over time the lubricant may dissipate. Permanent noise solution comes when you isolate the pipes and ducts from the wood framing.
Great builders and craftsmen also account for lumber shrinkage. The lumber used to frame the house can actually shrink over time. Openings that were fine during the construction phase may become tight only 6 months later. There is no substitute for experience and brains when it comes to small detail items such as this.
So Tim actually didn't help too much, at first he suggested to enlarge the contact zone, but after that said: don’t start to cut away wood… so, what she supposes to do? To cut, or not to cut? – Something Shakespearean is in this question! It’s seems to me that Shakespeare could help better.
If Donna would found the way to my website I would help her just for 5.46 with a solution which is really works!
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www.improvenet.com
Q.When my furnace kicks on, I hear all kinds of clicks and clacks and booms in the ducts. What's the problem?
A.Your noisy ducts could be caused by a number of things. One of the most common problems is undersized ductwork, which causes the ducts on the supply side to expand as they pressurize. This in turn creates a small vacuum on the return side. In both cases, the ducts will expand and contract. When the blower comes on, the tin ducts begin making a banging sound. When the plenum causes banging noises, it normally means the return air part of your heating system is starving for air. Every warm air furnace manufacturer will give you a temperature rise number they expect to see from their unit. Check your unit by taking a temperature reading of the return air and supply air. The findings should match the manufacturer's requirements. If the temperature is too high, you do not have enough return air. This condition will shorten the life of the furnace.
On this website a guy was saying: “When the plenum causes banging noises, it normally means the return air part of your heating system is starving for air.” – But now what? What is he suggested to do? But look at the top of this page; I hope you are mature enough to find the right answer!
www.doityourself.com
Q. This is a good one. I can hear a "ticking" sound comeing from somewhere in the ductwork of my central heating system (heat pump). The ticking sound seems to be located on one specific area of the house. I almost sound like water dripping on the metal, but I don't see any signs of dripping water or rust. The sound can be heard when the heat is not running. The ticking is fairly constant in most cases, sometimes it sounds very fast an others a longer interval between ticks. I can go down into my basement with some of the ductwork is exposed. If I push up on the area where the sound is, it goes away for a short time but eventually comes back. I don't know what this is and it is driving me nuts. Any suggestions on what to look for would be appreciated!
A. Hey guy this is PDF.A quick,inexpensive remedy might be a flex collar.If your duct work comes straight off the supply and is solid all the way to your diffusers....you can purchase a flex collar.It's just a piece of sheet metal wrapping that has a canvas or rubber coupling between it.It can be bought by the foot.This may help with expansion and contraction.A sheet metal shop in your area will have it in stock.To install you will need a pair of snips,a drill and some self tapping sheet metal screws.PLEASE wear gloves!!Sheet metal has a way of slicing and dicing the fingers and hands.PDF.
This explanation is just wonderful, you just have to buy a couple of boxes of flex collars, canvas and redo all the ductwork system. If your life is boring or you are just on a verge of depression and decided to begin all over again it would be a nice start! But not to mention that this recommendations won’t work anyway. Don’t trust me try it for yourself! But PLEASE wear gloves!!
www.thisoldhouse.com – Actually this website isn’t bad at all. If you are planning some kind of remodeling or just a minor repair go there. They even have there own videos, it’s what I'm planning to have in a near future.
But for this particular question there are still no answers in sight:
Q: The metal ductwork in the ceiling of our finished basement pops and bangs every time the furnace comes on in the winter, then makes more noise after the furnace shuts off. Is there anything we can do to stop the banging?
A: Richard Trethewey replies:
Metal ducts make all sorts of noises. In some cases, excessive air flow can cause whistling. Sometimes, pressure differences between the supply and return ducts can move their walls in and out, resulting in a rumbling sound called "oil-canning." And ductwork can carry the sound of a noisy blower all over the house. But I suspect your problem is caused by hot air rushing into a cold duct, which makes the metal expand. You might hear some innocuous creaking, but if the duct is rubbing against wood, it might suddenly "pop" and reverberate, then pop again as the metal cools.
What can you do? Short of covering all your ducts with fiberglass insulation, or opening them up and inserting acoustic duct liners, the best you can hope for is a modest reduction in the noise. Use rubber pads to isolate ducts from wood. Make sure there's nothing blocking the air register at the return, which can lead to pressure problems. Have an HVAC technician check the system to make sure it's not pushing more air than it was designed for. And if your furnace doesn't already have a flexible transition to isolate furnace noises, ask the technician to install one.
“ Short of covering all your ducts with fiberglass insulation” – who can explain what that means?
If he suggesting wrapping the duct with insulation, but it’s big and difficult job and it doesn’t solve the problem at all.
“or opening them up and inserting acoustic duct liners” – I’m holding my breath...... opening what up...... ductwork!!! I probably lost my understanding of the English words!
This guy possibly bolted from a kitchen. There you can easily open up a turkey and insert wherever you want: stuffing or acoustic duct liners it’s just depends on what you are smoking!
To sum up: I really tried hard and I wasn’t capable of finding any good advice for this particular problem. I understand it’s difficult to spend even $5.46 when you are not sure about a result. But you have four choices:
 1. Live with the noisy ductwork for the rest of your life and hope that one day you will use to it or sell the hous!
2. Get all the information for free from the web, but don’t waste your time look above: I already had wasted it for you.
3. Hire a contractor, spend hundreds of dollars and at least you will find who to blame for!
4. Pay 5.46 (0.46 is PayPal fee) and get the real solution from me!
So please go on “Contact Me” page.
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