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Electronic Air Cleaners
The most efficient air filter for improving air quality is the electronic air cleaner. Air returning to the furnace or air handler passes through a screen to trap any large dust particles or objects. Using line voltage to power circuitry, a positive electrical charge of high voltage (upwards of 12,000 volts) is sent through fine wires stretched across the air stream immediately behind the screen. The dust particles pick up a positive charge, and then pass through plates or grids that are negatively charged. Opposites attract, and the dust particles collect on the plates. Smoke is microscopic particles, and is trapped as well. Ozone is created from the charged air, which helps kill bacteria and odors.
Electronic air cleaners will usually operate at 95% efficiency, allowing little or no dust to pass through. The dirtier they get, the lower the effectiveness, so clean grids are a must. Before removing the screens and grids for cleaning, it is imperative to shut the power off and wait a few seconds to allow the grids to lose the static charge. They are dishwasher safe as long as they fit inside. If not, sloshing around in a tub of hot soapy water will loosen dirt that can be blasted off with a garden hose.
Extreme caution must be taken when handling to protect the grids and the person handling them. The plates are very sharp, and can cut like razor blades. The fine wires stretched across the grids are delicate and crucial to proper function. Proper spacing between the grids is important. Do not bend or distort them.
If the grids are not completely dry when installing them, do not turn the power back on; damage to the power pack can occur as the water will short the grids out. If in doubt about the dryness, leave the power switch off for a day or two; the air flow will take care of any residual water. Arrows one the grids will display the correct direction for air flow. Improper installation will render them useless. If the air cleaner was installed correctly in the return air duct by the original HVAC mechanic, air flow will be going from the duct toward the appliance. The arrows should do the same.
Troubleshooting falls into two categories: Grid failure or power failure. Excess dirt or a large object stuck in the grids will cause an electrical short. A loud snapping noise will sometimes indicate this problem. If cleaning does not stop the snapping and the grids are bone dry, inspect the fine wires stretched across the terminals. If they are white from oxidation, gently run an old soft toothbrush up and down them once, then rinse and dry again.
Most electronic air cleaners have a light to show operating power. If the light is not on when the system is running and the switch is on, there are two possibilities. The power pack has burned out, the power to it has been disconnected, or the unit has a pressure switch to sense air flow and charge the grids and it has failed. Either repair means opening up the power pack, exposing dangerously high voltage. This task should be left to a qualified technician.

13 SEER Air Conditioner Efficiency
As of January 2006, central air conditioning equipment installed in the U.S. must be 13 SEER. SEER stands for Seasonal Energy Efficiency Rating. It is the ratio of cooling produced in BTU, divided by the amount of electricity in watts, which is required to produce a certain amount of cooling. A 10 SEER air conditioner requires 30 percent more watts than a 13 SEER of the same tonnage or output. This does not include electricity needed to deliver the cooling to each room, so blower use is a constant and approximately 3 percent.
There are two main parts to a central air conditioner, indoor and outdoor. A thirteen SEER condenser (outdoor unit) can only be efficient if paired with a 13 SEER coiling coil (indoor unit). Many cooling coils can be upgraded by adding an expansion valve; in fact many manufacturers have done exactly that to their existing product line to meet 13 SEER standards.
A 13 SEER condenser is approximately 50 percent larger, physically; than a 10 SEER condenser. It is also more expensive. When an older air conditioner fails, replacing it will be considerably more expensive from now on. Not only because the outdoor unit simply costs more, but also because the indoor section must be addressed.
This efficiency upgrade does not directly affect warm air furnaces with central air conditioning, if the furnace was properly matched to the air conditioner to begin with. The heating mode is not affected, and the air flow should not need change. The cooling coil which sits on top of the furnace will be effected and possibly the corresponding ductwork.
Most air handlers however, are more specific to the coil and condenser and will be subject to more frequent replacements, if the coil cannot be upgraded or simply replaced. Unlike the furnace, where the cooling coil is a modified fit, the cooling coil inside of an air handler is more or less a custom fit. Replacing the cooling coil itself will depend on the age of the system, as manufacturers have altered their many coil styles over the years, and a new coil may not physically adapt to the old air handler cabinet. Replacing the air handler and coil will most likely require ductwork alterations. When the ductwork does indeed need modification, it would be a good time to upgrade the filter system and insulation values of plenums and accessible ducts.

Additions & Remodels
New construction is simple compared to an addition or remodel project. The insulation values are usually consistent in a new house, but in an older home, it may vary from room to room. It is not sufficient to merely supply the additional room(s) with the calculated amount of heat, as it may throw the existing rooms out of balance. Sometimes it is necessary to supply the new room with an incorrect amount to keep it proportional to the rest of the house. In severe situations, the newer area may need to be heated as a separate zone. In any case, a heat loss/gain should be performed on the existing rooms as well, and the existing system should be evaluated to determine how well it conforms to the calculated requirements. A new heat loss will also tell you if the existing heating system can accommodate the additional load requirements of the addition.
Also keep in mind that the rooms adjacent to the addition have lost exposure to the outside and will need less heat.
These same conditions also apply to remodeling projects, where the addition or removal of windows can seriously affect the room’s heating needs, as will adding doors or raising ceilings.

Air Filters
Removing air born dust and dirt benefits the people breathing the air and the machinery moving the air. Dirt accumulates on bearings and motor windings and gradually restricts air flow through a heating or cooling coil and settles in ductwork.
Collecting the dust from before it passes through the furnace or air helps to protect the machinery, and the filter should always be installed in the return air duct.
Mechanical or adhesive filters are the least expensive but the least efficient. Constructed of spun fibers shaped to form a mat, they are framed with cardboard to specific sizes. As air is moved across the fibers, dust is attracted and sticks to an oil film or glue sprayed on the fibers. This type of filter collects between 6% and 8% of the dust passing through when new. Efficiency will increase as the filter gets dirtier, but air flow will be restricted as well. Available at many hardware and retail stores, they are inexpensive, and should be replaced monthly if the system is in constant use.
Some manufacturers include a new filter with the equipment that is rubber coated and washable. Coarse fibers are rubberized to bind them together and make them sticky. As air passes through, dust collects on the fibers. A blast from the sink sprayer or garden hose will rinse the dirt away and ready the filter for re-use.
A better mechanical filter has been developed, called a media filter, which begins its life removing more dust (about 75%) and gets more efficient with use. It approaches 99% eventually, but also becomes too restrictive for proper air flow. This filter is made of paper or synthetic fabric, woven just loose enough to allow air to pass, but tight enough to trap particles as small as pollen.
Anywhere from one to five inches thick, the media is pleated to allow as much surface area exposure as possible. A cardboard frame keeps the filter in the proper shape and gives it enough rigidity to prevent collapse from air pressure. The one inch thick pleated filters need to be replaced as often as the spun filters, but the three to five inch thick pleated filters can last 6 months to a year. Dirt build up is visually noticeable; frequent inspection will help determine life expectancy. Replacement media filters can be found at HVAC and some plumbing supply stores. The one inch thick pleated filters are designed to replace the spun filters, and are available at retail and hardware stores.
The simplest filters are made of fiberglass and are disposable. Others are washable screens.
High performance media filters use pleated paper or spun materials to collect microscopic dust particles as the air passes through.
Electronic air cleaners put an electric charge on the dust particles as they enter the grids and collect the dust on plates that are also charged. In the process of putting an electric charge on the dust, ozone is created, which helps kill bacteria and odors.
Electrostatic filters use the motion of air across a weave of synthetic threads to create a static charge on the dust and collect it.
Electronic air cleaners lose efficiency as they get dirty, and should be washed monthly when in constant use. Loud snapping noises that continue through the entire heating or cooling cycle are signs that the grids need cleaning.
Non-electric filters will increase in efficiency as they get dirty, but also decrease in airflow. The balance between cleaning efficiency and proper airflow is difficult to define. Experience and familiarity with the system’s performance is the best guideline.
Full air flow is critical to the performance of a central air conditioning system; clean filters are a must. The wet cooling coil will collect a great amount of dust particles as the air passes through.

Air Handlers
Build a sheet metal box, put two holes in opposite ends of the box, then put a fan in the box. This is an air handler in basic form. Add a hot water coil, and it becomes a fan-coil for hydro-air application. Add an evaporator coil and it becomes the indoor unit for central air or a heat pump. Put electric heating elements, circuit breakers and controls and it becomes an electric furnace.
By today’s tradesman lingo, an air handler usually refers to a unit in use for central air conditioning or for a hydro-air system.
Without the risk of fire from combustion or high temperature heating elements an air handler offers the versatility of safe installation when in contact with combustibles, and multi-position application. Most manufactures build a machine that can be installed for vertical, horizontal, or counter flow (downflow) use.

Air Purifiers
Have you ever stepped outside after a thunderstorm rolled through and noticed that the air smelled a little fresher? Some of the responsibility can be given to the temperature drop and the rain washing the air, but as dangerous and terrifying as the lightning can be, zapping through the air it creates ozone, one of the best and safest air fresheners.
There are two simple ways to make ozone without the use of chemicals; ultra-violet light and an electrical spark discharge.
When sunshine strikes earth's atmosphere, the ultra-violet radiation converts oxygen to ozone, and in turn protects us from the harmful radiation.
Ozone kills bacteria, mold spores, and mildew. It also destroys odors, and can freshen smoke filled air under most conditions. As with most things, excessive amounts of ozone are not good; recommended guidelines call for between .01 and .05 parts per million of ozone versus air.
Excessive amounts of ozone are noticeable when a bleach smell is in the air.
Ionization of the air can produce ozone (as an electric spark does), but ionization is more useful as an air cleaner. Electronic air cleaners give dust particles a negative charge as the air passes through the front part of the grids, and then collects it on positively charged plates.
Direct ion generators flood the air with negatively charged dust particles in hopes that the dust will be attracted to the positively charged walls and furniture of a room, but excessively charged air particles are not healthy; and the dust still has to be dealt with at some time.
Air to Air Exchangers
With the emphasis on energy conservation and efficiency, new home construction can create a problem of indoor air pollution. Vapor barriers, thermal windows, weather-stripping and caulk have reduced or stopped fresh air from infiltrating and replacing stale air. Entering and exiting the house through doors isn’t always enough air changes. Cooking, aerosol sprays, cleaning agents, paints, and in some cases excess humidity if the house is sealed too tightly can create an undesirable environment. Keeping windows or doors open does not conserve energy. A device known as an air-to-air exchanger is used to recover heating or cooling and improve air quality.
There are many different designs, depending on the manufacturer, but the principle is the same. Fresh air is drawn in from a port open to the outside of the building, and passed through a chamber, also know as the exchanger that is surrounded by indoor air. Highly conductive metal or other materials removes the energy (heat) from the warmer air and gives it to the cooler air. The fresh air is then ducted into the house, and the indoor air is ducted to a port and expelled outside. Up to 80% of the energy can be exchanged. During the energy exchange, moisture (humidity) can condense into water. A drain pan inside the cabinet will allow the water to be collected for removal. If the unit is installed in the basement, a condensate pump might be used to eject the water outside.
Most air exchangers are controlled simply be on and off switches, but in applications for removal of humidity, a humidistat can be used to turn the machine on and off to achieve the desired level.
Routine maintenance involves replacing or cleaning the filters if so equipped, and keeping the outside air intake free of debris. After years of service the exchanger will become crusted with grease and dirt that collects during condensation. Removing this accumulation will probably take solvents or degreasers and require opening up the cabinet and compartments.
One method of adding fresh air to the space is to duct outside air directly into the return air plenum of the heating or air conditioning system. Usually required by code for commercial applications, it is an inexpensive way of improving air quality, but not the most efficient, since it means heating or cooling outside air, which could be very cold in winter or extremely humid on a midsummer day.
Central Air Conditioning
Residential central air conditioning systems that need to cool and dehumidify uses a condenser, evaporator coil, and refrigerant piping to operate. The means of moving the air might differ (furnace, air handler, etc.), but the principal is the same for all split systems. The term "split" refers to the physical separation of the condenser and the evaporator. This is in contrast to a window or wall air conditioner in which they are "packaged" together. The refrigerant is compressed and run through a series of tubes to remove as much heat as possible, then piped to an evaporator coil as a warm liquid. Expansion of the compressed liquid causes it to cool, and as the air passes over the coil, heat is extracted. The cool liquid becomes a cool gas as it gathers heat from the air, and is drawn back to the compressor to start the procedure again. As the air passes over the evaporator coil and cools, moisture in the air condenses and drains off as condensate.
Some hybrid and geothermal systems use cold water instead of refrigerants until the temperature gets to a certain point, but the majority of systems use refrigerants for the entire cooling cycle.
In arid climates when dehumidification is not needed, only cooling, evaporative air conditioning is practical and economical.
Evaporative systems can be as simple as a pond of water on a flat roof, or more involved with the use of air handling equipment and special fabrics. By running water down loose material that is suspended and blowing air through the wet fabric, the evaporation of water will lower the air temperature and raise the humidity. The water that does not evaporate will be cooled down enough to contain in a vessel and become a secondary source of cooling by moving air over the vessel to create air conditioning.
The conventional central air system is considered low velocity. In this type of system, the air temperature will drop some 15 to 18 degrees F when it passes through the cooling coil, and a 6 inch round duct will deliver approximately 2,500 BTU of cooling. Alternatives include the ductless mini-split, and the high velocity system. The latter operates at an approximate 30 degree F temperature drop and delivers about 2,500 BTU of cooling through a 2 inch round duct. This compact delivery system adapts well to retro fits and installations in older homes where duct space is limited.
The ductless mini-split, as the name suggests, requires no ductwork at all; and works well with open floor plans or where no ductwork at all can be installed. The fan unit is mounted on the wall or ceiling and piped to the outside condenser.
Split systems that use refrigerants are of the same design, no matter what the source of air handling equipment used (furnace, heat pump, hydro-air, etc.).

Condensers
The condenser for a heat pump and a central air conditioning system look similar and are constructed of the same basic parts. A cabinet houses the components and is strong enough to protect them during transport and installation. Inside of the cabinet will be a condenser coil, a compressor, a fan, and controls.
The coil is usually made of copper tubing with aluminum fins, but some manufactures use aluminum tubing. Its purpose is to transfer heat as rapidly as possible. Pressure inside the coil can exceed 400 psi, during extremely warm weather conditions. The cleaner it is kept, the better it transfers heat. Rinsing with a garden hose occasionally when the unit is not running will help keep it operating efficiently. After many years of use it may be necessary to put special chemicals on to clean it.
The condenser fan moves air across the coil to increase the transfer of heat. It is critical to the system. Obstructing the flow of air will not only reduce efficiency but can lead to compressor failure. Keep debris and objects away from the coil and fan to allow maximum air flow. Some condenser fan motors have sealed bearings, others need lubrication. Damage to the fan can occur if removed improperly. Have a qualified serviceman handle the lubricating if needed.
The compressor is the engine of the system. It compresses the refrigerant and pumps it to a coil as a hot gas. For air conditioning, it will be cooled at the condenser into a warm liquid and piped to the evaporator coil to expand and cool. For a heat pump, the hot gas will be pumped directly to the evaporator coil to provide heat. Compressors are of two designs; reciprocating and scroll. A reciprocating compressor is similar to an air compressor. An electric motor spins a crankshaft with pistons and connecting rods. Valves open and close to allow the flow of gas in the desired direction. Special lubricants are used.
Since the system is hermetically sealed, the lubricant is permanent and does not get changed. Reciprocating compressors have been in use since the first refrigerators. Scroll compressors use an electric motor to drive them, but the similarity ends here. Its uniqueness is difficult to explain, but it is ingenious. Using two spiral mazes recessed into each other, one attached to a motor drive and the other allowed to slide freely, compression occurs with rapid movement. After many years of testing and engineering improvements, the scroll compressor is available from some manufacturers as a standard or option in the condenser. It is both efficient and quiet, and improves with age.
If the condenser is used for air conditioning only, controls are minimal. A contactor switches the power on and off. Capacitors are used to start and run the motors. Optional controls are: a brown-out time delay, crankcase heater. Hard start kit, and low ambience control.

A brown-out time delay protects the compressor in two ways. If the voltage drops and the motors draw too much current (amperes) it shuts the contactor off. If the control voltage is interrupted momentarily, it shuts the contactor off. When the compressor is running, high pressure exists at the exhaust port. If it is shut down and restarted before the pressure equalizes with the intake port, the motor will not be able to overpower the pressure imbalance and overheat. The time delay will stall the restart for three or four minutes sufficient time for the pressures to equalize.
The compressor is deigned to compress a gas, not a liquid. A crankcase heater is used to preheat the oil and liquid refrigerant that might have settled in the compressor crankcase. By boiling off any refrigerant, risk of valve damage is avoided.
If rapid restarts are required for the system, a hard start kit can be installed. It consists of a potential relay and a capacitor. It gives the motor an added jolt or boost to help it start under stress.
Mostly used in commercial applications, a low ambience control could be used on a residential system if needed. It senses the liquid line pressure and cycles the condenser fan to keep pressure high enough for the air conditioning to function in cold weather.
If the condenser is part of a heat pump system, the controls get more complex. In addition to the controls already listed, there will be a reversing valve, defrost timer, and possibly an adjustable temperature sensor.
The reversing valve directs the flow of compressed gas to the condenser coil for air conditioning or to the evaporator coil for heating.
When extracting heat from outdoor air, the condenser coil gets very cold and frost will begin to form on it. Too much frost build-up will restrict air flow and reduce effectiveness of the coil. The defrost control switches to air conditioning mode without the condenser fan running. The hot gas running through the coil melts the ice that formed, and then shifts back to heating mode.
Some older model heat pumps have an adjustable thermostat in the outdoor control panel. It will limit the low temperature operation of the heat pump to prevent it from running when it is too cold out to extract sufficient heat from the air.
Controls
A relay is one of the most versatile controls at our disposal. It allows an electric current of one voltage to switch the current on and off to another device or appliance of a different voltage. The most common example of a relay exits right at the thermostat of a central heating or air conditioning system. Low voltage (24 volts) is sent to the thermostat from a transformer. When the thermostat calls for heating, the 24 volts operates a relay that sends 120 volts or 240 volts to the furnace, depending on the type of heating system. In air conditioning system, the 24 volt current trips a relay at the air handler to run the blower ( which can be 120 volts or 240 volts) and a relay known as a contactor on the condenser to provide 240 volts for the compressor and fan.
The device itself is simple in design. Thin copper wire is wound around a hollow sleeve. Inside the sleeve is a steel rod with electrical contacts attached to one end. When current is passed through the windings of copper wire, the sleeve becomes magnetic, and pulls the rod into it. The electrical contacts unite, and current is transferred to the intended device. Relays are used in motor vehicles, appliances in the home, and in the work place. The click heard when a computer connects to a telephone line for the internet service is a relay engaging.
The fan center relay can be found inside the cabinet of a furnace or air handler. It has a transformer to reduce the line voltage (120 or 240 volts) to low voltage and low amperage (24 volts; and usually less than 40 milliamps). This reduces the risk of fire or injury from exposure to live circuits and allows control wiring to be of smaller gauge and lesser expense to install. The relay will have a switching capability to make a connection (normally open) and disconnect a circuit (normally closed). On an oil or gas fired furnace with central air, the relay will disconnect the burner and engage the blower and condenser simultaneously if the thermostat calls for cooling. This prevents the heat from coming on by mistake.
The protect relay, also known as a burner relay on an oil fired furnace, is explained in the oil burner section.
In order to use 24 volts to control the condenser for a heat pump or central air conditioner, a relay known as a contactor is used. The contactor must be capable of switching a high voltage and high amperage load on and off. It can have many terminals on it. The crankcase heater, the condenser fan, and the compressor all tap into the current available at the contactor. It is constructed of materials that will allow it to function for years under stressed conditions, but eventually will need replacing. It is imperative that the power be disconnected at the main panel and at the service disconnect outside at the condenser before any access is made to the electrical connections at the condenser.

Cooling Coils
Evaporator coils come in a variety of shapes and sizes, depending on the type of installation, the amount of cooling capacity needed, and the manufacturer. It is the source of cooling as air passes through the furnace or air handler. They are constructed of aluminum finned copper tubing. The copper tubing runs perpendicular to the aluminum fins, making U-turns back and forth until the desired coil size is achieved. Added cooling capacity without an increase in length and width is accomplished by adding more rows of copper tubing.
Slant coils and horizontal coils have a slab appearance, similar to the radiator in an automobile. They can be installed in ductwork running horizontally or in an air handler. An A-coil is shaped like a capital A without the crossbar. It can be installed on top of a fuel burning furnace heat exchanger or in an air handler. The newest design is the multi-flex coil which is a series of A-coils linked together at the base. The multi-flex coil can be installed in any position when encased in a special cabinet. All evaporator coils must have a drain pan to collect the water that condenses as the air flowing across the coil cools. The water can drain away by gravity or be pumped away.
The cooling effect that takes place inside the coil requires a pressure drop in the refrigerant. This drop can be accomplished in a number of ways: capillary tube, piston or orifice, or thermostatic expansion valve.
A capillary tube is a thin copper tube of predetermined length into which the compressed liquid refrigerant is pumped. The length of the tubing causes the pressure drop and subsequent cooling effect of the refrigerant.
A piston or orifice blocks the flow of refrigerant and forces it through a tiny hole, creating the needed pressure drop.
A thermostatic expansion valve meters the flow of refrigerant to meet the cooling demand of the coil. It determines this demand by way of a sensing bulb attached to the outlet tube on the coil. Because it can meter the flow to meet demand, the expansion valve can keep the coil at optimum cooling potential.

Dehumidification
There is nothing in the home quite like the damp odor that engulfs a person walking into a room with an over abundance of humidity breeding mold and mildew. Not only is is offensive to the nose, it can become very unhealthy.
Fresh, dry air is the solution to the problem, but weather conditions and energy conservation don't always allow for the exchange of good air.
An easy fix is as simple as the installation of one or more de-humidifiers. By reducing the moisture in the air, mold and mildew along with other nasty things that breed in too humid an environment can be eliminated.
De-humidifiers that use a refrigeration cycle to condense moisture from the air are the most common for the home.
Desiccant units that use a moisture absorbing medium to collect water then dispose of it with heated or dry air passing across the medium are used on a commercial level or for indoor pools and very large homes.

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From time to time I’m opening and closing pages like this one where I’m criticizing "Forum" and the other websites. Would be or could be my customers asking questions out there and after receiving vague or stupid answers quitting enjoying it, because it was for free anyway!

You may ask: Why should I waste my precious 3 minutes on your website if I can come back on Google or Yahoo and continue my search? The answer is simple:
Because you are done! You can’t find anything else on the web, its over!
Of course you don’t trust me, but let’s take a look what people like you have achieved on the web for free:  

Question: brhino14
What is the rule of thumb for how many take offs can you have on a 14" trunk line? Also, how about a 12" trunk line?
Thank You

 

 

Answer: iraqveteran

52 minumum.
Theres no such thing as a rule of thumb.
Call a professional. This is not a DIY site.
 

I fully support the military and the War on Terrorism.
You can't talk about it if you haven't been there.
 

 

 

Instead of just simply answer the question, this guy keep fighting the terror, but already here on our ground! – 52 bullets in your a..s, m…r!!  Is it hurt? But never mind it’s just a “friendly fire”!
Of course Brhino 14 is not happy with such an answer, so he keep pushing:

Question. brhino14

I did call a professional but I am seeing how many more 8" lines can be installed on this trunk line since the "professionals" sized one of my rooms to small. I have adequate velocity just not enough volume. I am calling them back out here to fix it but I wanted a second opinion. I do not want to starve the other lines with this change. How many 8" lines, 6" lines, etc can be installed on this 14" or 12" trunk line? That is the question.

 

Answer. gena:

6-6" to 12" x 8"
8-6" to 14" x 8"
It’s me, but of course I’m stupid! I should tell him to use Manual D, or J, or screw himself!
 

Answer. deejoe:

Brhino14. "stick" the rule of thumb, they don't work.

note;

a 14" diameter pipe has an area of approx 154 "
a 12" diameter = 112"
a 6 " diameter = 28"
a 5" diameter = 20"
You should be able to do the rest of this grade 5 math by way of "division"

Brhino14:
 

I thought it was that easy. I did not know if there was some "fudge factor" in the calculations. Thanks to all who have been helpful.

 

 

You saw it and understand now why Brhino14 was enjoying the answer. Don’t get it? OK I’ll explain:

According to 5 grader “deejoe” 12” duct can handle only four 6” heat runs but it’s not true. The speed of airflow in 12” duct is much higher than in 6” pipe its why 12” duct can handle more 6” heat runs than five grade geometry champion “deejoe” can imagine! But Brhino14 enjoying the answer because it was free of charge!

But, the right answer in this particular case would be to use a “ductculator”!

 

41. SUPPLY DUCTWORK INSTALLATION – the chapter deals with the takeoffs installation. It is explains how to make measurement, cut in and tap in a takeoff. Chapter describes all possible cases of the takeoffs installation.
The chapter has 10 pictures; 4 pages. $1.34 (Instant Access)

 

 

Here is another one:
Q. I would like to know if I can move this heat vent down the wall on the right.

 I have separated the laundry area with an interior wall and I would like to know if I can move the vent down the wall so that I can have the heat in the main part of the basement.
How would I go about doing that?
What would I need to purchase? Also, is there a vent that would be approx. 3 1/2 inches deep to fit
down inbetween the stud.......
also, where would I cut it and what piece of duct work would I need?
Thanks very much..

 





There is a lot of questions, they are not difficult for a professional guy if he would be paid for the answers, but for free....let's see what she got:

A. Yes you can dahling, detach the transition from the round elbow (look at the picture there no round elbow!), match the dia of the pipe, extend the run then re attach the transition and grille.
the transition is already 3 1/2 x 10. I can hear you scratching yur pretty head; LOL a transition is the piece that transitions, IE changes from round to rectangular. You can also run 3 1/2 x 10 inside the wall down to where you want the grille the use a rectangular elbow to re attach the grille

This moron is saying: “the transition is already 3 1/2 x 10” I don’t know what he is talking about, because if he meant a 10” x 4” ninety degree boot which you can see on the picture, but its 10” x 4” not 10”x 3 ½”!
He doesn't explain what he meant when he said: “You can also run 3 1/2 x 10 inside the wall”


Q. Jackie dahling you are fabulous. And yes, I did scratch my head (Of course you would), but then I saw your great explanation. (This is great! Of course it's great explanation because it’s free!!!)
So that means that I have to cut the long round tube that is there now, near the top plate, and then attach a long rectangular extension all the way down to near the bottom of the wall, (I want to put the new vent closer to the floor, maybe 12 inches from the floor?)and then attach the grill?
That means I have to buy another transition thingy, right.
I don't want to keep it in the ceiling.
Have I got it right? Probably not.

After his stupid explanations she is definitely confused, but don’t forget it’s still free, so it’s better to be polite!

A. The long round thingy (now this moron is flirting with her) will easily disconnect, (should be screws in it ), then you just need to extend the round thingy and get another roundthingy that is bent, an elbow, then get a special thingy the is round on one end and recangular on the other ( transition ), then you get rtectangular thingyies and extend that as you said until you get close to the floor and get another special bent thingy, rectangular, elbow and re attach the grille.

Well, this guy wants that she run the 10”x 3 ½” duct outside the wall, he was so preoccupied with “thingys” so he forgot about everything else!

Q. I get it! They should call those things thingies, then I will better understand.
Jackie, do I have to cut the top plate in order to put in the elbow thingy in? (Look, she is smart, but not smart enough to stop this insanity!) And then continue to follow you instructions sith rectangular thingys. Also how do I secure the rectangular things to the studs? I don't just leave it there loose, do I?
Thanks Jackie, you are wonderful. (Of course, because Jackie doing it for free!)



A. I would avoid cutting the top plate at all costs. (Why that, he is a such moron)I believe you are finishing one side only. (But she said it going to be a laundry room on the other side) They make a rectangular thingy that looks like a wide "U" for gettin under a beam, (It’s definitely something new for me, I never have seen anything like that in my entire life!) in this case you use it vertically and can swing under the top plate and into the stud bay, To connect either round or rectangular thingies they slip together the you use short self tapping screws and then they make a sliver tape to seal the joints. NO DUCK TAPE. (Why not, moron!) AND YES that is its original name :}:} NOT duct . As far as running thingies in the stud bay they make strapping that you can screw across the studs and then into the ducting to keep it in place and not rattling all over.

HAPPY BUNNY DAY

Q. Thanks Jackie, and a Happy Bunny Day to you too!

Thank you so much for the explanation, as I was going to start cuting the stud in order to get the rectangular thingy down between the studs.
Thanks for telling me about the large U shape thingy to go around the top plate. Makes my job MUCH easier.
When I'm done, I am going to show you so you can see what a wonderful teacher you are.
Thanks again so very much.

Well, I’m also will wait to see the monster she’ll create after explanations like these! But I’m still waiting!

 

How to Extend a Heat Duct to the Floor - this page gives a description of installation of the heat duct in the wall, which separates mechanical room from the rest of the finished basement. On this page you can see pictures of all necessary tools and materials and pictures of the system elements installed. There are 16 pictures on this page. All installation is divided into four steps which represent an entire project in the making.

 

This exchange just recently took place on another "DIY Forum" website. The story is very long, so I decided to skip most of it, but if in a few words: a guy wanted to save money by doing a unit and ductwork installation by himself. He tried to find the necessary information, but even on this sort of forum he just hit the wall. After several attempts he, by the way like most of you who are trying to find answers for theses kinds of questions, just gave up. But if most of you walking away silently he made a speech:

Greg - maybe you took my last post the wrong way - I said I see your points. My position is this...as far as DIY, I do general construction to finish work, I work on my own cars, I work on my own bikes, I build motors, I build drag bikes, I frame up restorations on motorcycles, all in my spare time away from my full time job and volunteer work for animal rescue and abuse. I'm mechanically inclined and not afraid to take on any job so I thought I would do this job as well. My closed door comment was in reference to any other field I have ever dealt with - and serviced - there seems to be a different approach. People seemed to want to help and offered advice - just as I have done in forums I participate in. While you and the others here have been decent and professional, as a whole nobody is willing to help. While browsing through other HVAC forums I saw outright verbal attacks on people like me who not knowing what is involved, start off wanting to do the work themselves and save money, and then go to what appears to be a good resource. This is on first time posts asking innocent questions. These two other HVAC forums, people asked about DIY AC and were answered with, "why don't you buy some eggs, go to a diner and ask the chef to cook them for you and see how far you get"....and..."show up at a car dealer with a battery, radio and fan belts and ask for a car minus those items"...and..."I love people like you who think you can do anything and then I get to come to your house and charge top dollar to fix your f*ck-ups". It's just baffling.


This being a DIY forum and having all of what I felt is good information for the job I'm looking at, I thought I'd give it a go. The analysis was done. I have a detailed Heat Gain/Heat Loss report. I have a CFM by room report. I have detailed diagrams of my attic and main floor with square footage, floor measurements and window locations. I have the right sized equipment for the job. I understand any kind of math you could throw at me. I understood then and now that working with refrigeration sealed systems is regulated work requiring special training and certified people to do specific tasks and have someone who is willing to do these parts as a favor...so...I *thought* I'd bone up on what is needed to do the duct layout and move forward with the job. So my closed door comment...all of the above combined fed into that.

I was not being sarcastic when I said I guess I'm going to hire someone. I'm smart enough to not beat my head against the wall trying to do something blindly when dealing with thousands of dollars...but I am going to help where I can and I'm going to learn why what is done along the way so I know what is installed in my house, how it works and why.

One of the "experts", who is wasting his time on this particular website, gave him an answer he disserved:


It reads as if you have done your homework on this project, most people looking to save a buck on a DIY install don't and then wonder why their system isn't perfect.

As you have found out there is a fair amount of engineering work that needs to be done for a properly functioning system and I'll go on record stating that properly engineered and installed residential systems are a rarity these days.

As with every other trade the HVAC industry is quite competitive. Few residential installation companies have an engineer in house and so they rely on computer programs and rules of thumb to make their designs. These computer programs run the gamut from very good to just mediocre.

Since the industry IS competitive the contractors generally shave the corners pretty tightly and far too often install ductwork that is barely adequate in size and this (along with other cost considerations) has forced manufacturers to design their equipment (furnaces and air handlers) to function in worst case scenarios. Return air ducts are almost always inadequate for the job and noise is rarely a consideration when designing the duct systems and blowers.

The result is a system that is noisy and less efficient than it could be.

It has been to protect them selves from the typical DIY-er that manufacturers have instituted the requirement of professional installation to have a valid warranty. While the equipment IS rugged enough to muddle through with less-than-ideal installation it cannot be expected to work when someone tries to install a 120,000 BTU furnace in their home using only a six inch duct off the discharge plenum and then taking several 5 inch branches off this original 6 inch to feed the various rooms.

Nor can the equipment perform properly (or last) when the return air is made with a single 8 inch duct and no filter. There are tests that should be made at the time of installation (but are often not) to be sure of proper temperature rise across the furnace's heat exchanger(s) and various combustion tests. DIY-ers seldom have the tools or test equipment to do these tests.

Other boards may have a preponderance of heating contractors responding to questions and unfortunately many of these "professionals" (with unprofessional attitudes) look upon DIY-ers as stealing food from the mouths of their families.

Then, of course, there are the many government regulations in this industry that range from energy conservation to fire codes and refrigerant handling certifications that few DIY-ers either know, understand or in some cases even care about.

So yeah, it IS a closed industry, but for many, many reasons.

So, of course you can try to submit your questions on these kinds of websites. But don’t forget that for free question you may get free of sense answer!

Here are more questions and answers from diychatroom.com websit:
santech2
How to Add HVAC Vent I do not have vents to cool or heat my basement, what is the easy way to do it? Where to put return or supply vent. I read somewhere that just to put a return in existing return duct. I have existing supply line cut for humidifier was wondering if I can just put flexible duct with the matching hole in dry wall. Will that work? Please advice.
 

TazinCR

Is your A/C unit large enough to take on the extra capacity?

Mister TazinCR obviously doesn’t know that when someone even do a load calculation he/she counting the basement too. But it doesn’t make too much sense anyway, because in the worst case scenario furnace will work just a little bit longer!

Furd
The "easy" way is rarely the proper way and it could seriously upset the proper performance of your entire heating system. Ideally you want to do a heat loss / heat gain calculation on at least the room to which you will be adding the ductwork to in order to properly size the ducts.

Same answer and please read my comment above. Did those guys help? I don’t think so!


The proper place to connect the supply duct is at the furnace discharge plenum or trunk duct. Be sure to install a balancing damper at the point of take off. Return air ducts should be 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 the size of the corresponding supply duct and should connect to the furnace return in a manner that allows free flow from all the returns with minimal resistance and also so that all returns are filtered before entering the blower suction chamber.

Here he’s trying to help but didn’t answer the question! By the time he got to this point he probably forgot what
was a question  about!

Kwtsat
Installing Cold Air Return (Basement)


Hello, in the place we bought which has a finished basement, there is not a cold air return. I want to install one. Because it is finished, the easiest way would be taping into the cold air return approx 2 feet from the furnace to run my line.
Is this acceptable? Any opinions appreciated.

Thanks

Furd

Maybe. Is the filter for the furnace located at the furnace or is it located in the return air grille? Is there a supply air plenum on the furnace with multiple supply air ducts or a single supply air trunk duct with branches?

There are more questions but please answer these first.

For some instance Furd right: there not enough initial information to answer the question. But why is he asking about filter location? This question doesn’t make sense because the furnace installed in the basement. He probably had in mind the attic furnace installation. Will this guy read questions or he is living in his own little world?


On this page I’ve mostly criticized guys who wasting their time on the multiple so called "Forum" websites trying to help people “in need”- but actually they helping the people who trying to save every single buck, people who prefer to get a stupid or meaningless answer instead of a good one, main value of which is: this answer was gotten for free!!!.
Below I decided to take a closer look at the guys who actually looking for help: 94SupraTT already posted 10 questions on this website: hvac-talk.com and he supposed to know that this website is not a DIY website (also useless from this point of view), but anyway he asked this question:


94SupraTT

Farthest room (mine) from A/C unit not cooling well
This has been an issue since I purchase the house however I have never really addressed it. Unfortunately it cost me last month. I've always had to lower my thermostat to cool this room. My room is noticeable warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer than the entire house. The side closest to the unit at times doesn't even need to be cooled because it is so much cooler than my room. I've been trying to educate myself online however I don't know where to start. I (believe) I understand somewhat that the room needs to circulate air (in and out) well. The room has 2 vents however I'm not sure if enough air is getting into the room. Aren't there dampers that control the amount of air going to the rooms? If so where do I locate them? I'm assuming that the rooms that are cooler could stand to have less air going to them. I have all the vents open in my home except our laundry room. Any more info needed I will be happy to supply.

I'm not sure if this matters but the previous owners built an above the garage room in the home. One of the walls of the above garage room I believe is above my bathroom.

blackbelt3677
Remember this is not a do it yourself website. We are all making a living doing this. I would suggest calling a contractor and having them do a comfort balance. This would balance the airflow proportionally to where it needs to go. And no balance a dampers are not always installed.

hvac45
The room needs more air, as stated, find a company that can balance your system, most new construction companies just put them in and walk away.

94SupraTT
What should I expect to pay to have the system balanced?

jrbenny
It varies from state to state.
Who can explain to me why this guy asked his question there on that website but didn’t ask it on mine? Why it’s acceptable to be beaten to the pulp and don’t get any answer at all instead of go on my website, which by the way, almost first or at least, on the first three pages of any search, and get the answer you need. I just don’t get it!

 

When I have found this website: www.diynetwork.com on the web, I thought OK I’m done, definitely I’m in the wrong business because my would be customers will go there and take all the information for free! But when I’m actually started to read what that “expert” suggested to do a big sigh of relive exited my lungs!
So, let’s read this hogwash together and I will make some comments as we go:


1. The first thing you need to do is attach the takeoff to the main supply line. Mark the center point for the takeoff and drill a pilot hole using the cutting bit in the hole cutter. Preset the cutting tool to the correct diameter. Place the center guide in the pilot hole and start the cutting bit along the circumference of the hole. Use a right angle drill because you have to work in a tight space, but you can attach the cutting bit to any drill. The cutting bit then swivels around the center guide (figure E), forming a perfect circle.

Note: Sheet metal hole cutter and right angle drill are available at most rental centers or specialty stores.

I’m not aware if this tools are available
"at most rental centers", rather not, but if it does you have to spend money on it. If not, you can buy them easily at the supply house. The cost of the hole cutter approximately $45 and right angle drill could be around $70! Congratulation with a big saving! At this point I would suggest to hire a pro and save some money!

Expert Tip: When doing any heating or ventilating project, you may need to pull a permit, so check with your local municipality. In some cases, you may even need to hire a pro to help with this kind of project, so check on that as well.

Of course you may need to pull a permit! Next expert tip will be probably that you have to pull a permit before driving a nail into the wall!

2. After the takeoff is in place, reach in and bend the tabs over (figure F) to secure it to the duct.

This guy actually doesn’t know the right way how to install a take-off. Someone please tell him to contact me and for very, very small fee I’ll give him a run down!

3. Next, you need to install the ceiling register boot (figure G) so you will know how long to cut the supply duct. Center it between the joist and screw into place with self-taping screws.

Note: Use a power nut driver to drive self-tapping sheet metal screws.

I know it’s not a big deal but I never use screws for this matter, because they are sticking out too far and interfering with the drywall!

4. Measure the length you need for the supply duct. Take the measurement from about an inch inside the takeoff to about an inch into the boot collar.

 

The guy is completely out of touch with reality. He doesn’t know the right way how to make a measurement. Beside that his measurement is wrong!

5. Cut the duct to length with a round duct cutter. You need to use a round duct cutter because the cutter actually removes a thin strip of metal along the cut line (figure H), which makes the cut a lot smoother. It is almost impossible to cut the metal with any other tool.

This guy is awesome! This tool actually designed to cut a duct which is already snapped together. But I never have seen that anyone in this business use this kind of tool. If this tool not in use it’s probably very expensive, so, be ready to spend another $45, or hire a heating contractor and start saving money!
“It is almost impossible to cut the metal with any other tool” – I don’t know where this guy comes from! Maybe he won a competition among DIY-rs on that website, or maybe he just a boyfriend of the owner’s wife, but he definitely doesn’t know what he is talking about.

6. Snap the duct together. It has a special snap lock built in at the factory.

Well, sometimes it’s very easy to do, but sometimes it’s not, especially when you cut a piece of duct!
But why he doesn't explain how to snap the duct together?

Safety Tip: Wear gloves and eye protection when working with sheet metal.

It’s funny but he comes up with this safety tip only at the sixth step, maybe he just lost an eye or cut his finger off?
Just curious!

7. Install the damper into the duct by drilling a hole into the side of the duct and then screw the damper in place. The damper control indicator will show you whether the damper is open or closed (figure I).

The damper installation requires following of the special rules, otherwise it will make a lot of noise! But never mind listen to the expert! And look in the picture: this “expert” was in such hurry to post this on a page of that website he even forgot to make the second hole in the duct. But maybe it’s his first project? Just curious.

Expert Tip: Dampers are critical for the efficiency of a forced air system. They allow you to adjust the amount of air flowing into each room balancing the system.

8. Put the crimped end in first, and then put the other end of the duct in. The takeoff rotates to make it easier to fit the duct into place.

“Put the other end of the duct in” – in what? The other end of this duct must be put on, but not in, but for the experts like this it’s very, very insignificant! And what he will do if the take-off won't rotate?

Tip: Make sure the damper control is on the bottom of the duct.

9. Secure both ends with a few 1/2" sheet metal screws through the collar.

10. Add a couple of support brackets (figure J) to help support the weight of the duct.

11. Finally, attach the register to make it look a little nicer.

 

 

 

 

So after reading all of  this I've got a question: Why is he doing that? If anyone can tell me why on this page I would really appreciate your opinion!

Ed

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